Facebook Live: How Health Coaching Can Help You With the ReCODE Protocol

Apollo Health hosted a Facebook Live with coaches Julie Luby, Joanne Pappas Nottage, Samantha Anderson, Valerie Driscoll, and moderator Chris Coward. They discussed individual and group coaching success stories using the ReCODE Protocol™ to optimize brain health.

The coaches shared their stories of working with care partners, ReCODE and PreCODE members, practitioners, and nutritionists to embrace and adopt the lifestyle changes needed to reverse and prevent cognitive decline. Some of the lifestyle changes can be pretty challenging to make. Our coaches spoke about strategies and approaches to facilitating good outcomes and results for those who want to optimize their overall health and well-being.

We’ve included a complete recording of the session and a full transcript below for your convenience.

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Chris Coward: Well, hello everyone. We are so thrilled to be on Facebook Live, my name is Chris Coward. I’m the VPA coaching services for Apollo Health, and I have some wonderful, fabulous Apollo Health coaches on with me today to talk a little bit about health coaching.

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Chris Coward (continued): So, I’m just going to tee us up with just a little bit of background before I get all these guys sharing their stories of success and a little bit of the details on how they help people with reversing, preventing cognitive decline. So just real quick, about Apollo Health itself, we’re a company that’s based on the science of Dr. Dale Bredesen, who his work is around optimizing brain health and preventing and reversing Alzheimer’s disease. So Apollo health, you can think of them both as a technology company in terms of the sophisticated algorithms that have been created, but also high touch as well. And that we have a strong bench of health coaches and practitioners trained in this work to help those with Alzheimer’s and those who want to prevent it and have overall optimal brain health.

So, some of the terms that you’re going to hear our coaches talk about today, I just want to define in case you’re new to this work, so, one is ReCODE, and that stands for Reversing Cognitive Decline, and the other is PreCODE, which is Preventing Cognitive Decline. And so these are the protocols that we work with in our company, the coaches, the practitioners, nutritionists, et cetera. When we’re working with clients and patients. You may also hear the B7 or Bredesen Seven, and these are the seven areas that the coaches work with to help folks get healthy. In their nutrition, exercise, sleep, stress management, detox, and brain stimulation. And I might not have said them in order, but so just a quick statement on coaching health itself, it’s really can be one of the most enriching, powerful modalities, to help with lifestyle change. And it’s important for you to know before I turn it over to them, that health coaching is different than what a practitioner does. You know, like a doctor, or a chiropractor, or a nutritionist, because as health coaches, we do not diagnose, we don’t treat, we don’t prescribe, it’s not in our training, and it’s not in our scope of practice. And in contrast to that, what we are good at, is helping people make behavior change. And behavior change that last.

So if you think about it, this is over-simplifying, but the practitioner is working on the what of the protocol, like what needs to happen, and what’s behind it often like the root cause of whatever’s going on, and the coach follows that up with how to make it real in your life, so how to make these changes, and so it’s the how, so practitioner’s more of the what, coach’s more of the how, in terms of the recommendations on the ReCODE or PreCODE report. So, think of us as working in tandem with practitioners rather than and instead of them. All right, so, first coach up here, Julie Luby. So I’m going to ask you just the first question is, tell us a little bit about your practice and a success story that you’ve had in working in either ReCODE or PreCODE.

Julie Luby: Thanks Chris, I work with clients in both the ReCODE and PreCODE program I have many clients in both, and my passion is really helping people to live a healthier life than the generation before them. So I work with a lot of people whose parents may have had cognitive decline or died of Alzheimer’s similar to myself, and people who really want to live a different life. And so that’s really sort of my sweet spot with my coaching practice. And I think talking about how coaching is different from we’re certainly not practitioners, but I think one of the best things about coaching in this program, ReCODE and PreCODE can be pretty complicated, and everybody’s meeting with their practitioners, they’re getting sort of that what, what are you supposed to be doing now? And that isn’t always really clear to people. And so what I’ve found is it really, really helps just at the very start of all of this. If there’s a relationship between the person who’s going through the program, their doctor, or other practitioner, and the health coach, I do this in my own practice, I have an authorization form that I have my clients fill out to allow me to talk with their doctor, so we make sure we’re HIPAA compliant and everything else, but I actually will attend sessions, whether it’s on zoom or by phone with the practitioner, so I can hear the same thing that my client is hearing at the same time. And then in our next session, we will dissect it, we’ll figure out what could the doctor have to say to you? What are they asking you to do? And we will take it step-by-step prioritize it, figure out what to work on first, all those things that can really help a person get started with what is a pretty complex program. And I think this simplifying and this communication can really help. The other thing that’s really helpful as we go along with our sessions, is I can help my clients formulate questions for their doctor so I can help them figure out. “Okay, that would be a good question for your doctor. “Let’s write that down.” And so they feel like they’re armed with much better questions going into talk to the doctor, it can be much more efficient, and they feel like they’re really getting to the meat of the matter. So, those are a couple of ways that I help my clients on ReCODE and PreCODE.

Chris Coward: Do you have maybe an example of a real person or that you could share?

Julie Luby: Well, without, you know, yeah.

Chris Coward: It could a composite, yeah.

Julie Luby: A composite of a person sure, absolutely. Yeah, I’m thinking of a couple of people here. I was attending a phone call, so I was on the line. They were in person with the doctor, I was on the phone. And the doctor was going through all of the test results. So I was sort of privy to hear that at the same time that the client did. And so taking notes fast and furiously, one thing that I think was really helpful for this client was I took all the notes in the call. And so she could just listen and didn’t have to worry about it. And I sent her a summary afterwards, the doctor went through lots of different, this was a person who had some Type 3. So, there was a lot of testing that had to happen testing of her home, testing of her water, things like that, but she had to do so we were able to get that information from the doctor, what was most helpful. Then we were able to powwow afterwards and talk about, “Okay, how will we get your water tested? “How will we get your home tested? “You know, what makes the most sense for mold testing? “How do we find an inspector to come look at the house “if we have that question?” And so that was really the first things that had to happen. Of course, there were also dietary pieces to what the doctor was asking her to do, following the KetoFLEX 12/3. So we were able to go through that as well. And then she had a lot of questions on what her test results meant. So she wasn’t really sure when the doctor was going through them. So I helped her to kind of understand from my knowledge what was going on, but then also helped her create a list of questions, follow up questions for the doctor that she was able to email right away and get answers to and from the doctor’s staff. And found it very helpful and really got her kick-started and going. And I think what feeling like she went from overwhelmed to much more confident that she knew what she was doing.

Chris Coward: Beautiful, and before I turn it over to Samantha, I just want to acknowledge that we do take confidentiality very seriously as health coaches. And this is a sensitive area too. Like a lot of people don’t want even anyone knowing that they’re working with someone around cognitive impairment. So, the coaches are going to do their best in making sure there’s really no identification, but if you’re listening to this and you’re working with them and say like, ‘Ooh, that sounds like me.’ It probably sounds like you and their 10 other clients that they’re working with. So I just want to put that out there. Okay, so, Samantha Anderson another fabulous ReCODE coach. Tell us a little bit about your practice, and maybe how you’ve worked with folks to change.

Samantha Anderson: Great, thanks Chris. So I like my colleagues here on the call went to the functional medicine coaching academy for my certification, and I learned a lot about functional nutrition there and have really built my practice around that modality lifestyle practices using food as medicine. And we talk a lot about food as medicine in the ReCODE and PreCODE protocol. It’s going to take me a little while to get used to not calling it the Bredesen Protocol, which I think is still, rolls off my tongue. We love food, and food is also the most difficult and challenging component of this protocol and kind of what to eat, how to eat, when to eat. It’s all of those variables. And so in my practice, I really focus in on helping my clients figure out the best way to implement the food component of the protocol. I mean, first Julie mentioned the food plan and the name KetoFLEX 12/3, it’s an unusual name, and it needs to be broken down into its components as well. So Keto refers to the notion of KetoFLEX and getting your body insulin sensitive and your metabolism going, and the flex refers to being flexible, both metabolically as well as you can eat all sorts of different types of food, and the 12/3 refers to the amount of time that we like you to fast. And my clients, like most people who are probably listening to this are just like, “What am I supposed to do with that? “How do I handle this? “What am I supposed to eat?” And so a lot of my work and I’m sure the work of the coaches here on the call is about breaking that down into digestible pieces. Like I hate to use that metaphor when we’re talking about food, but that’s exactly what it is. And I’ll give you an example, the fasting component, we on the protocol we ask for at least 12 hours of fasting and for those who are, apple eat 3/4, it’s even longer, some upwards to 14 to 16 hours, that’s hard. So my clients are often asking, and one in particular going to share, “How do I do that? “Like, how on earth am I supposed to fast that long? “I have never fasted that long. “I have not eaten when I “I’ve not eaten minutes before I’ve gone to bed. “How am I going do that?” And so a brainstorming session with a client yielded unbelievable ideas, which like I often have shared, on these kinds of forums, but one of them is simply brushing your teeth. This client of mine came up with this idea immediately after she finished her evening meal, she went into the bathroom and brushed her teeth. Well, when you brush your teeth, you don’t really want to eat again. At least that’s sort of the concept behind it. And it actually helped her, remind her, “Okay, I’m not supposed to snack anymore. “I’m supposed to finish my meal “and not eat again until I go to bed.” So, I use that as an example because as coaches, Chris sort of alluded to this, we’re behavior change ninjas, we’re trying to change and shift behavior. I’m not prescribing a fasting regimen and saying, “Okay, it’s time for you to do this, no more eating.” This client came up with that idea on her own, and now she’s finding a way to make it work. And that’s really like the brilliance of what’s possible. When we’re doing the work with our clients and incorporating the protocol.

Chris Coward: Oh, that was beautiful Samantha. And I just want to double click on something you shared. Notice that the best result came from the client in partnership with you but coming up with her own solution and strategy. So, that is a differentiator a lot of times in coaching of we really, and you guys that are listening probably know this, that, “Oh, I noticed I’m more inclined “when it’s my idea to follow through.” So anyway, thanks for highlighting that, that was great. All right, we got Joanne Pappas Nottage calling in from Greece. So Joanne, same question for you a little bit about your practice and maybe an example of how you’ve helped someone.

Joanne Pappas Nottage: Great, thanks Chris. Well, I’m excited to be here with this wonderful group of amazing health coaches, and like everyone else on this call, I’m a board certified functional medicine health coach, and I work with clients in my practice both one-on-one and in group situations. And I work with the member of the participant who’s actually trying to implement the Bredesen Protocol, and I think it’s okay if we continue to say that Samantha, so to implement the Bredesen Protocol for either reversing or preventing cognitive decline.

But in addition to that, I work with care partners who are looking for support to help their loved one implement the protocol. And so today, well, and in addition to that, I, like the rest of us on this call, facilitate group programs here at Apollo Health. And we’ll share a little bit more about that as we go on here today. So, in my practice, it’s been really incredible to see how much care partners need support during this process. And Julie mentioned that a little bit in her introduction. And so today I’d like to share an example, which is from my work with care partners, because they are working so hard. And those of you out there listening who are care partners, you’re working so hard to care for your loved one. And in that kind of situation, I as the health coach and the rest of us who work with care partners, it’s our role to help support you so that you can continue to support your loved one in a way that’s sustainable.

And in the example that I want to share with you, I was working with my client and I changed the names and situations enough, so easier to tell the story. I worked with George, who at the age of 85, was helping his 88 year old wife, Mary implement the protocol, really one tiny step at a time. And in this particular example, I began working George to help him assemble a care team because he was doing it all on his own. And he was struggling. He was patient and loving, but he was struggling to get it done. And so I helped him identify a practitioner that would be a good fit for their specific situation, and then brought together above and beyond that as our work went on to a nutritionist to really help personalize the KetoFLEX 12/3 Program for Mary, because she had some complicated other health issues and concerns in addition to the cognitive decline that really needed to be accounted for. And so my recommendation was, we can take what the practitioner has recommended, but we really would be better off to have a nutritionist help us make those tweaks to really personalize it and yet comply with the practitioner recommendations.

And as Samantha pointed out, the diet can be complicated and the fasting and all of that. And so for someone who’s been eating the same way for 85 years, it can be especially challenging. And so at the beginning of this situation, Mary had been declining rapidly and George found the Bredesen Protocol because he got frustrated with the lack of options within the traditional healthcare system. You know, he liked the doctors he was working with, didn’t see any other options. And so when he found the Bredesen Protocol, Mary’s MoCA score was already at 17 and he was concerned about finding a way to try to prevent the continued decline and had some hope that he would be able to (working with the right practitioner) reverse that.

And so in our work together, once we got the practitioners on board, well we started with the functional medicine practitioner. And as Julie explained, often there’s a barrage of information coming at the care partner and the clients, patients directly. And so George went to the first appointment and realized, “Oh my God, there’s so much information. “I’m totally overwhelmed. “I don’t know how I’m going do this.” And so when we met and spoke after that first visit, he said, “I just don’t know. “I don’t understand half of the things coming my way.” And he also was a little bit hard of hearing. So, even though he was wearing a hearing aid, the communication was challenging. So I offered to join him as Julie described at the next visit in the next call. And that was such a great success for everyone involved for the practitioner, for me, for the clients, the care partner, because it really helped to improve and streamline communication, and everyone was on the same page. And so as Julie explained, then I could go back. And in my case, I was working primarily with the care partners. So I could go back and meet with George and we could take the recommendations and develop a step-by-step plan that would meet not only the client’s specific, the patient’s Mary’s needs, but also his ability to manage the changes, and his ability to manage the process because he was doing it at home. He was cooking for the first time, right? And he was trying to understand how to implement, the dietary changes. So we took it one step at a time.

And in this particular example, when we scheduled the appointment with the nutritionist at the last maybe an hour before the appointment, George wanted to cancel it because he was feeling very overwhelmed and he thought, “If we meet with the nutritionist, “there’s going be all kinds of expectations about things “that we’re going to need to do now. “And I just don’t know what else I can do.” And so I said, “Why don’t I go “and meet with the nutritionist on your behalf? “And during that appointment I can also advocate “that we develop a plan together with the nutritionist, “that will meet your ability to make changes “and manage the process and accommodate “Helen’s needs and likes and preferences, “so we could try to tailor it to something “that will be manageable “and might give us some success with implementation?” And he said, “Oh, that would be lovely.” So, I did and I’m so glad that I did because the nutritionist very smart but comes from the expert approach and really wanted us to implement the keto diet full force from like zero to 180. And this was just not feasible in this particular situation for many people. So, being there and able to meet with the nutritionist, I advocated and said, “That’s not going to work. “That’s just not going to work. ‘We need to do this in a different way.”

And so we did, and then I went back with George, we took that plan and broke it down further into, “What are we going do this week? “And what are we going do next week? “And how do we substitute the cheese that she loves “with something different, like a non-dairy cheese?” And actually this was kind of fun, this was before COVID, I took a sample of a variety of non-dairy cheeses that I like, over and we did a tasting. And so then she could actually pick which ones she liked. And so we did a variety of things like that. So at the end of the day, then we worked at the same time we were working on supplements and sleep and some of the other aspects. But my reason for sharing this story is that I know a lot of care partners are out there doing this kind of work, and it can be challenging to do on your own. And as a health coach, any of us can help support your efforts to create a care team and then help you really foster that effective communication and collaboration. It really works towards supporting you and your loved one, implementing the protocol for better outcomes.

And in this particular example that I shared with you, after, as I mentioned at the beginning, Helen was rapidly declining, Mary was rapidly declining different example, was rapidly declining. And as we implemented more and more steps of the process, she stopped declining and sure enough over time, she actually started to see improvements in her memory and in her mood. And George specifically noticed the mood because that had been one of the challenging frustrations for him that she no longer seem to like herself from her mood perspective.

So, I love this example because it’s a different twist on what we think of in terms of health coaching. And it’s just another way that we can all support you. And I’ll add one other thing before I end with that. And that is one of the support groups that we are offering now through Apollo Health, is a care partner support group. And it’s been really wonderful to see, and I facilitate one of those. It’s really been wonderful to see the care partners come together in a way that is supporting for each other in a safe space where they can feel free to talk about some of the challenges that they’re facing on a day to day basis with this work, with their loved one, and also a place to celebrate that they found a way, to overcome a challenge, whether it’s with diet or in one case.

Some of the things that we’re talking a lot about in my group is how to make time for yourself as a care partner so that you can continue to nurture your health and your wellbeing so that you can approach your work as a care partner from a very positive, loving perspective, so.

Chris Coward: Great, well, thank you Joanne. That was a really great example story. And just a reminder that one of the benefits of health coaching to practitioners is that they don’t have time to do what we do. I mean, they’re not trained in the same things. That’s of course there’s that as well, but all the personal touch and the additional work that can be done with the entire family to help them, because depending on the level of progression of the client, there may not be the direct recipient of your coaching when done in a verbal exchange way, but the care partners could really use the support. And so it kind of extends the scope of what we can do out there, so thank you. All right, so coming up last here, but not least Valerie Driscoll, another one of our ReCODE health coaches. So a little bit about your work Val, and a fun example to share.

Joanne Pappas Nottage: Great, thanks Chris. Well, I’m excited to be here with this wonderful group of amazing health coaches, and like everyone else on this call, I’m a board certified functional medicine health coach, and I work with clients in my practice both one-on-one and in group situations. And I work with the member of the participant who’s actually trying to implement the Bredesen Protocol, and I think it’s okay if we continue to say that Samantha, so to implement the Bredesen Protocol for either reversing or preventing cognitive decline. But in addition to that, I work with care partners who are looking for support to help their loved one implement the protocol. And so today, well, and in addition to that, I, like the rest of us on this call, facilitate group programs here at Apollo Health. And we’ll share a little bit more about that as we go on here today. So, in my practice, it’s been really incredible to see how much care partners need support during this process. And Julie mentioned that a little bit in her introduction. And so today I’d like to share an example, which is from my work with care partners, because they are working so hard. And those of you out there listening who are care partners, you’re working so hard to care for your loved one. And in that kind of situation, I as the health coach and the rest of us who work with care partners, it’s our role to help support you so that you can continue to support your loved one in a way that’s sustainable. And in the example that I want to share with you, I was working with my client and I changed the names and situations enough, so easier to tell the story. I worked with George, who at the age of 85, was helping his 88 year old wife, Mary implement the protocol, really one tiny step at a time. And in this particular example, I began working George to help him assemble a care team because he was doing it all on his own. And he was struggling. He was patient and loving, but he was struggling to get it done. And so I helped him identify a practitioner that would be a good fit for their specific situation, and then brought together above and beyond that as our work went on to a nutritionist to really help personalize the KetoFLEX 12/3 Program for Mary, because she had some complicated other health issues and concerns in addition to the cognitive decline that really needed to be accounted for. And so my recommendation was, we can take what the practitioner has recommended, but we really would be better off to have a nutritionist help us make those tweaks to really personalize it and yet comply with the practitioner recommendations. And as Samantha pointed out, the diet can be complicated and the fasting and all of that. And so for someone who’s been eating the same way for 85 years, it can be especially challenging. And so at the beginning of this situation, Mary had been declining rapidly and George found the Bredesen Protocol because he got frustrated with the lack of options within the traditional healthcare system. You know, he liked the doctors he was working with, didn’t see any other options. And so when he found the Bredesen Protocol, Mary’s MoCA score was already at 17 and he was concerned about finding a way to try to prevent the continued decline and had some hope that he would be able to (working with the right practitioner) reverse that. And so in our work together, once we got the practitioners on board, well we started with the functional medicine practitioner. And as Julie explained, often there’s a barrage of information coming at the care partner and the clients, patients directly. And so George went to the first appointment and realized, “Oh my God, there’s so much information. “I’m totally overwhelmed. “I don’t know how I’m going do this.” And so when we met and spoke after that first visit, he said, “I just don’t know. “I don’t understand half of the things coming my way.” And he also was a little bit hard of hearing. So, even though he was wearing a hearing aid, the communication was challenging. So I offered to join him as Julie described at the next visit in the next call. And that was such a great success for everyone involved for the practitioner, for me, for the clients, the care partner, because it really helped to improve and streamline communication, and everyone was on the same page. And so as Julie explained, then I could go back. And in my case, I was working primarily with the care partners. So I could go back and meet with George and we could take the recommendations and develop a step-by-step plan that would meet not only the client’s specific, the patient’s Mary’s needs, but also his ability to manage the changes, and his ability to manage the process because he was doing it at home. He was cooking for the first time, right? And he was trying to understand how to implement, the dietary changes. So we took it one step at a time. And in this particular example, when we scheduled the appointment with the nutritionist at the last maybe an hour before the appointment, George wanted to cancel it because he was feeling very overwhelmed and he thought, “If we meet with the nutritionist, “there’s going be all kinds of expectations about things “that we’re going to need to do now. “And I just don’t know what else I can do.” And so I said, “Why don’t I go “and meet with the nutritionist on your behalf? “And during that appointment I can also advocate “that we develop a plan together with the nutritionist, “that will meet your ability to make changes “and manage the process and accommodate “Helen’s needs and likes and preferences, “so we could try to tailor it to something “that will be manageable “and might give us some success with implementation?” And he said, “Oh, that would be lovely.” So, I did and I’m so glad that I did because the nutritionist very smart but comes from the expert approach and really wanted us to implement the keto diet full force from like zero to 180. And this was just not feasible in this particular situation for many people. So, being there and able to meet with the nutritionist, I advocated and said, “That’s not going to work. “That’s just not going to work. ‘We need to do this in a different way.” And so we did, and then I went back with George, we took that plan and broke it down further into, “What are we going do this week? “And what are we going do next week? “And how do we substitute the cheese that she loves “with something different, like a non-dairy cheese?” And actually this was kind of fun, this was before COVID, I took a sample of a variety of non-dairy cheeses that I like, over and we did a tasting. And so then she could actually pick which ones she liked. And so we did a variety of things like that. So at the end of the day, then we worked at the same time we were working on supplements and sleep and some of the other aspects. But my reason for sharing this story is that I know a lot of care partners are out there doing this kind of work, and it can be challenging to do on your own. And as a health coach, any of us can help support your efforts to create a care team and then help you really foster that effective communication and collaboration. It really works towards supporting you and your loved one, implementing the protocol for better outcomes. And in this particular example that I shared with you, after, as I mentioned at the beginning, Helen was rapidly declining, Mary was rapidly declining different example, was rapidly declining. And as we implemented more and more steps of the process, she stopped declining and sure enough over time, she actually started to see improvements in her memory and in her mood. And George specifically noticed the mood because that had been one of the challenging frustrations for him that she no longer seem to like herself from her mood perspective. So, I love this example because it’s a different twist on what we think of in terms of health coaching. And it’s just another way that we can all support you. And I’ll add one other thing before I end with that. And that is one of the support groups that we are offering now through Apollo Health, is a care partner support group. And it’s been really wonderful to see, and I facilitate one of those. It’s really been wonderful to see the care partners come together in a way that is supporting for each other in a safe space where they can feel free to talk about some of the challenges that they’re facing on a day to day basis with this work, with their loved one, and also a place to celebrate that they found a way, to overcome a challenge, whether it’s with diet or in one case. Some of the things that we’re talking a lot about in my group is how to make time for yourself as a care partner so that you can continue to nurture your health and your wellbeing so that you can approach your work as a care partner from a very positive, loving perspective, so.

Chris Coward: Great, well, thank you Joanne. That was a really great example story. And just a reminder that one of the benefits of health coaching to practitioners is that they don’t have time to do what we do. I mean, they’re not trained in the same things. That’s of course there’s that as well, but all the personal touch and the additional work that can be done with the entire family to help them, because depending on the level of progression of the client, there may not be the direct recipient of your coaching when done in a verbal exchange way, but the care partners could really use the support. And so it kind of extends the scope of what we can do out there, so thank you. All right, so coming up last here, but not least Valerie Driscoll, another one of our ReCODE health coaches. So a little bit about your work Val, and a fun example to share.

Valerie Driscoll: Well, first of all, every time I hear we get together as coaches and we talk about training and we talk about all different kinds of things, but we don’t often share stories because we’re busy talking about training and the ReCODE Protocol. And I’m just always so honored to be included in this group of coaches, because we’re really doing important work and every story is so different, and everyone’s personality just is so evident of how you guys bring your personalities into your coaching. And it’s so wonderful to hear. And so I’m also a mindfulness teacher, I spend time doing that. And I work, I’m doing program development with Apollo, and most of my clients are PreCODE clients. So, I work mostly in the PreCODE area and I’m calling it even a little bit of pre PreCODE because I tend to work with people in my private practice who are struggling with diabetes or pre-diabetes, and weight management. And so what I have done with a few of my clients is brought them into PreCODE because we get weight management under control, we get general health inflammation things like that. We improve some of those markers and start very slowly. And then I say, “Hey, there’s another level we can go up to. “We can do more here.” And then I’ll talk to people about PreCODE because you can’t have healthy brain if you don’t have a healthy body, and we get like the groundwork done, and then I’m like, yeah, now it’s really time to start to work on your brain. And so that’s what my work tends to be. And it’s really rewarding because I work a lot with just education explaining to people this is important. There are biomarkers that aren’t normally even checked with our regular blood panel, and here are things that we have to start looking for. And this is why PreCODE is so great. It’s going to give you a baseline of where we can begin to dig in on, now really deeper habit change around your health. And the story that I really want to share is Chris, Joanne, and Julie, and Chris and I, along with Joan Dickerson, we did a couple of beat and runs of what now will be new programs for us called “PreCODE Plus and ReCODE Plus.” And in those programs, it was group coaching, we had 12 participants on Zoom, Joanne and I were partners, and the story I want to share is what happens when PreCODE or ReCODE people come together. And Ken Blanchard, I think Ken Blanchard he’s a motivational speaker and a leader. And his quote is I’m always quoting, because I love quotes, but is that, “None of us are as smart as all of us.” And I really believe that to be true. Like we prove that all the time. And when you get a, I’m going to say a disparate group of ReCODE or entry code followers together, because this was a mixed group. The dynamic was wonderful. And the big thing was that people stop feeling alone. They got best practices, they bio-hacked, we had a couple of pilots in one of our groups and they kept each other motivated. They would talk about how much they wanted to keep flying. And so that was their why that was the reason to go back and really figure out how to get into ketosis. And so that group dynamic where people at all different levels, and all different levels of commitment were supporting one another, was really, really phenomenal to see. And what we noticed too was, and this was a six month program where we did it once a week for the first week, and then every other week for the other five months. And I would say we had about 98% attendance. I think we all found that, that people showed up, they wanted to be there. They wanted to have that support from other people who understood because we all understand the way that we live now with in PreCODE or ReCODE or wherever we are doing. I must say the Bredesen Protocol, the ReCODE protocol is that it’s lonely out there. A lot of places that we go, and this was a way for people to feel a little bit less lonely.

Joanne Pappas Nottage: I just wanted to jump on what you just said there Val, because I think that’s one of the best parts of the group programs, ’cause every group we’ve run so far that I’ve been a part of, whether it’s Care Partners or PreCODE, ReCODE groups, people have said, “Wow, it’s so amazing “to be a part of a group where people understand “what I’m going through.” And with this protocol, it’s not widely known yet, soon, we hope everyone will know about it, but it’s not widely known. And a lot of people are living in a situation where they may have unsupportive family members, and they may have people at work or elsewhere who really doubt and question, why are you this? And so for them to come to a place where there are other people as committed to this, and as passionate about working on this protocol to improve their brain health, is such a wonderful way for them to continue to move forward. And then they get the benefits because they’re now moving forward with the protocols. So I just wanted to really emphasize that Val, because that’s such a great point.

Valerie Driscoll: It’s nice to not have to explain why you’re doing everything to everyone, for a short period of time.

Joanne Pappas Nottage: Yeah.

Chris Coward: Right, right.

Joanne Pappas Nottage: I was just going to add, sorry. One of the conversations that we’ve had and in several of the different groups is how do you help communicate this to the people around you? And how do you handle that so that you don’t feel like you’re constantly defending yourself in how to handle some of those conversations and situations?

Valerie Driscoll: Yeah, great point.

Chris Coward: Yeah, well, let’s talk a little bit about, we’ll have probably about 10 more minutes total here, and if there are any questions coming in, we don’t see them. So, someone will let us know, our guy inside. But in the meantime, let’s talk a little bit about how one can get some support. So, we have these two main ways right now, like one is to work with an individual coach, could be anybody on this call, or it could be like our whole bench of coaches that we have with Apollo Health, who are trained in the ReCODE Protocol and live in all around the world really. We have coaches around the world, and yet a lot of them work virtually, so can work with people anywhere. And so that’s one option. And going to the apollohealthco.com site, there’s a find a practitioner coach tool where you can plug in your needs around that. So that’s one way to work with an individual coach and the pricing ranges, everyone’s got different packages. So, you’ll see that when you look on it, and then the second way is that we’ve created some really cool as Joanne talked about, as Val talked about, and as Samantha’s about to do one, support groups, it’s to deal with the isolation to be able to have loving support, to share best practices and so on. So, I’m going to just have some, a couple of you describe some of the programs we have out there for group, and then we’ll take it on home with that. So I’ll go back to you Julie. You want to share a little bit about the support group, well you do a couple, but maybe the Type 3?

Julie Luby: Sure, thanks, yeah. Yeah, I facilitate both the Type 3 group, which is for people who have the Type 3 contributors, which is toxins. So, whether you have a mold toxin illness, Lyman coinfection exposure, metals, or environmental toxins, Type 3 sort of encompasses all of that. And so we’ve a couple of groups that meet to share their experiences and share their support of each other in the Type 3 space. And it’s just like what everyone’s been talking about to find other people going through this, is such a joy for these people. It’s very few people have heard of water damaged building illness or mold illness. I think it’s going to become more common and people will become more aware of it because there is so much of it out there, but you feel pretty alone when you realize that you’re going through this. And so it’s been so helpful for these folks and it could be the person who’s doing the ReCODE Program, or it could be the caregiver and the care partner for the person, or it could be, I have groups where they both come, both the husband and wife are both there supporting each other. We’ve actually had people join who are fairly far through their journey, but they’ve joined to give back and to help other people who are going through the journey. So, there’s just so much that’s helpful when you hear about other people’s treatment plans, everybody’s treatment plan is unique, but to hear what other people have gone through, it really helps to make sense of your own, people will share their advice and experiences with something like the heavy metals detox, should I use the Chris Shade Program, or should I do something else? And so they can hear what other people have to say about what the experience was. We all know that our experiences are unique, but it really helps to hear somebody else who’s gone through it. I know as somebody who’s gone through my own mold toxin illness journey, and has gone through a home remediation, just that overwhelm of what do I do first? What’s good enough? How do I find an inspector? How do I find a mediator? Everyone shares, and everyone has resources. I’ve learned things that I didn’t know, so it’s just a wonderful sharing of experience. And I think people go away just feeling so much less alone and having more confidence that they can do this. So, it’s really, really important. And especially with something as time consuming and resource consuming as Type 3.

Chris Coward: Great, yeah, thank you. That was when started those groups, they filled up pretty fast. Clearly there was a need around having some support around Type 3, great. And Samantha talk about your upcoming, oh boy, it’s a long name KetoFLEX 12/3 Brain Food Support Group.

Samantha Anderson: There we are. Yeah, we’re going to try something new this fall. We’re going to have a few support groups to focus in on the food component, the lifestyle component, around nutrition that we have fielded as coaches. I think each one of us has shared the complexity of the food plan, and on the Facebook group, for the official Bredesen Protocol Facebook group, there are always many, many, many questions around what to eat, what not to eat, et cetera. So we are opening up a few support groups that are going to start in September to focus in on the pyramid that that Dr. Bredesen had and his team, including Julie Gregory and Dr. Bredesen’s wife, Dr. Bredesen also, have written up not their most recent book but the book right before that the program book. And we’re going to go through each of the levels of the pyramid, we’re going to talk about all the components. And like each of us have shared, we are always better in community. And so sharing what works, what doesn’t work, the tip that I shared from one of my clients around brushing her teeth, I’m sure that as a group, we’re going to come up with tons of ideas for each of the components of the food plan. And the food plan is complex. And so we’re going to break it down so that it becomes, I wouldn’t say easy necessarily, but doable and sharing recipes, and best practices, and resources, and getting more familiar as well with the member portal that includes tons of nutrition guides, and recipes that we really want Apollo Health members to take advantage of. So, starting September 14th there’s one group, and then we’re going to start a second group in early October. So, all those links will be available, I think in the next day or two. So, looking forward to it.

Chris Coward: Yeah. Great. So, Joanne just in the interest of time, Joanne was going to talk a little bit about the Care Partner Support Group, but I feel like you referenced it pretty well earlier. So I’m going to go to Val on programs that we haven’t mentioned quite yet in terms of what we did in terms of the beta but talk a little bit about our plus programs.

Valerie Driscoll: Yeah, so we’ll be starting probably in October I think, we’re getting everything kind of ramped up right now. We’ll be starting two programs. One is called ReCODE Plus the other is called PreCODE Plus, it will be group coaching programs, and they will be again, giving support on how to implement the ReCODE Protocol. We all still call it the Bredesen Protocol, we’re just calling it the ReCODE Protocol, the ReCODE Protocol, and again, having that group support and how do we bring this into our lives? And there’ll be a little bit different ReCODE again, as for those who are already experiencing some cognitive decline, PreCODE will be for people that are in prevention. And another big difference between PreCODE and ReCODE is that these will be six month programs. And they will be… ReCODE is only going to be offered through your practitioner and you need to be a member of Apollo Health. And we will have lots more information coming out about this in the next month or so. PreCODE so, if you have a practitioner, and you’re interested in ReCODE, you can talk to your practitioner about it. He or she may or may not know about these programs, but we will be offering them through practitioners only, PreCODE you will not have to be an Apollo Health member. So if you are interested in learning about this and learning more about the Bredesen, the ReCODE Protocol, this is a great opportunity to get a nice immersion in the program, learn about it, learn best practices and get a start. Because as we know, we always think of dementia as being a disease of older people, but it’s not, it begins in your 40s. And it’s very, very important to know where you are– And then be able to proceed. So, we’ll have more information and maybe even other Facebook Live about those programs.

Chris Coward: Yeah, thanks Val. So we got a couple of questions, one from Tamara, do coach help develop recipes and menus, you know, usually, well, two things, here’s the good news. Our member site has a ton of recipes in there created by our nutritionist that we can just provide links for. And there’s a lot of resources out there. So, coaches don’t necessarily need to do that, in a lot of cases, it’s not really in their lane to create recipes, but it’s not that they couldn’t, but that’s not necessarily their focus. And the other question was would the link for the food plan groups appear here on Facebook? Yeah, we can go back to this thread and put in the registration links, and there’ll also be on the apollohealthco.com site as well under coaches and support groups. You’ll see that there as well. And we’ll also send out an email blast to people that are on our mailing list. So, lots of ways. We’ll be excited and ready to get out that info once we’re all buttoned up around it but thank you for asking.

Joanne Pappas Nottage: So, Chris, the one thing I’d like to add about the care partner support groups, is that we are approaching in September the end of the first six month Care Partner Support Groups, so for people who might be interested, we will be providing links soon to register for the upcoming care partner support groups, and then people who are in the first group can elect to continue on as well. So, just to give a heads up that that’s coming soon as well.

Valerie Driscoll: And that also, I just want to mention to you that the care partner support groups are only for care partners, correct?

Joanne Pappas Nottage: Yeah.

Valerie Driscoll: They are for care partners without their loved ones coming into kind of create support that way.

Chris Coward: Yeah, absolutely, well, good. So I want to thank Julie Luby, Joanne Pappas Nottage, Samantha Anderson and Valerie Driscoll our fabulous ReCODE health coaches for taking their time to come on and talk about what they do, what we do. And yeah, we’re going to wrap up now and we will have this live on. And so people can check in with it later. I know it’s very early for some people or very, very late for others it kind of depends where you live in the world. So thank you so much, and we’re going to go ahead and sign off.

Joanne Pappas Nottage: Great, thank you.

Samantha Anderson: Thanks, bye bye.

Valerie Driscoll: Good-bye everyone, thank you.

Julie Luby: Thank you.